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Just to summarize the main ingredients I currently believe should be put into the 'stew of truth'. Rationales for using these ingredients are all in this comment section. The proof is in the eating of course and I hope that consumption will spark off unexpected ideas that connect all dots.
* Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the Moomba beach around 1:40/50.
* The Kalpoes went home and stayed home that night.
* Joran did not have the capacity, guts or tools to make a body vanish forever from Aruba all by himself.
* He did not make any other cell phone calls than the 8-minute chat with Deepak at 2:26.
* He must have met some people who helped him within (barefoot) walking distance from the Moomba beach.
* These helpers must have been motivated to take control of Natalee and to dispose off her body later.
* Joran was dropped off by car at his house by his helpers and he did not walk home barefoot (i.e. he lied to Deepak).
* Joran left Natalee alive but 'passed out' in the hands of the helpers.
* Joran was therefore still in a reasonably positive/optimistic shape on May 30th (all day, although a bit tired).
* Joran did meet Freddy on May 30th afternoon and did tell him the HI-"lie" since he believed Natalee would be there.
* He only started to panick when he learned around 2AM May 31st that Natalee had gone missing.
Who dares (easy one for Polemic, since 'crack house' essay scores very high)?
 crimejunkie Wednesday, August 5, 2009 05:24 PM
Not bad FJ. Of course you are assuming that they even went to the beach at all. It is very possible that they were dropped off right at some drug house and the whole beach story is just a total made up piece of fantasy that sounds better than getting high in a crack house or whatever they call these places. That being the case then the K boys would know too that what Joran spun after the Holiday Inn story became a sham was not the least bit possible.
One thing for sure all of this seems much more likely than other crazy ideas proposed many other places.
As far as a cover up. I do wonder what ALE or the higher ups in government might know about what really happened. So many think that Aruba has been covering for Joran, I cannot see any country covering for a kid that has no importance and neither does his family. But I can see some people covering up for Drug Dealers.
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Fernando1981 Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:02 PM
Yes, Fierljepper, I'm with you. That's a good scenario. And, I also agree with crimejunkie that I don't think she was left on the beach, if for no other reason than Joran would have been out of character to tell the truth there. I think he picked the beach and that section of beach to form his last and final lie as one that would stick, because there were no cameras there. And the main reason was that he needed a location other than the real place because there was no way he could reveal that and hope to stay healthy. The drug place makes the most sense where it all went down. I have been to Aruba and I know that area around the hotels and for sure there are locations where drugs are sold and where people relax and smoke and in some case snort (and wild dancing and music in some). They are often just plain residences and sometimes called "after hours" clubs. They can be in actual bars or cafes or in homes. Ask any Aruban about the after hours places... the word gets out where one or two will be any night... it changes... they are moving targets (where they are one night is not he same place as the next). The cops know about them, beach bums know about them, hotel bell boys know about them. Really, who doesn't?
And let me tell you, you don't mess with the crime bosses down there, everyone knows that too. You'll end up just gone.
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Polemic Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:35 AM
What more could I say? I think all that summarizes it well.
1. Didn't happen at the beach dropoff theory - substantiated by lack of any witnesses saying that the couple was seen there. Lots of tourists walk that beach, certainly until 2:30 or 3:00. It's never totally empty. Plus, Joran didn't show a record of calling anyone for help who could have handled a pickup of a girl in a coma.
2. Help had to be equipped - not just anyone could have gotten a dead person out of view so completely "without a trace," nor would they have had the motivation, Drug lords could and would have had all the reasons. There is a smarmy underbelly in Aruba, which is one of the good arguments for legalization. Aruba is a center (or depot) for drugs on their way to the US and other locations (that's why that DEA guy was there). Those guys would not have wanted the eyes of a getting-hotter-by-the-minute media event turned in their direction.
3. The Crackouse theory plausibility - this was published in various iterations on several boards and finally on Scrux within the first month of the incident. Posters (supporting the family) dismissed it for one simple reason; Natalee would never do drugs. But, in fact, every kid who does drugs the first time has never done them before(and their parents would swear they wouldn't ever).
4. Happened on the beach theory - substantiated by the "told in confidence" story explained by Joran in the DeVries video. Makes sense that Joran might have gotten drugs earlier to make the evening fun (or they might have walked over to a connection and then taken them back to the beach). In fact, Natalee might have engaged him to buy some. I have heard many a girl say... "I wanna get high, can you score something?" So, if a girl goes comatose in your presence after doing drugs which you just acquired, "who are you gonna call?" The only guys who would know they might be nailed for the responsibility.
5. Joran and the Holiday Inn story - if she goes into the coma at adrug house or if the drug sellers come to the beach at Joran's request (but, no phone call makes that difficult to believe) it makes sense they might say, "After she sleeps it off, we'll drop her at her hotel." If you're party guy, you've seen many a girl "sleep one off." As Fierljepper says, that would account for Joran's relaxed attitude the next day, even bragging that he nailed her. If he knew she was going to be missing, he wouldn't have been talking and he wouldn't have been so relaxed about it all.
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I think this solves it (as best as can be done without more info). If your primary mission is to preserve the memory and reputation of Natalee (or Joran), then, no, this can't be your answer. But, if you are just a true crime observer without bias, this is the most logical possibility.
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Fierljepper Thursday, August 6, 2009 01:22 PM
It's an attractive scenario indeed, Polemic.
There's one scenario that has kept bubbling in the back of my mind, so let me try to make it explicit by tweaking only a few premises and leaving the gist of the "crack house" scenario intact. Bit of doing a 180, but interested in your thoughts:
* Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the Moomba beach around 1:40/50.
* The Kalpoes went home and stayed home that night.
* Joran left Natalee 'asleep' on the beach.
* Joran walked home barefoot (i.e. he told the truth to Deepak in the 8-minute chat with Deepak at 2:26).
* Natalee encountered other people who invited her to a crack house. Her intoxicated state and desire to give the relaxed Aruba holiday one final stretch, made her join them.
* The crack house people were motivated to take control of a drugs coma-ed Natalee and also to dispose off her body later.
* Joran was therefore still in a reasonably positive/optimistic shape on May 30th (all day, although a bit tired).
* Joran did meet Freddy on May 30th afternoon and did tell him the HI-"lie" since he believed Natalee would be there by then.
* He only started to panick when he learned around 2AM May 31st that Natalee had gone missing and he was the one who left her there all by herself.
In this scenario we still have a relaxed and bragging Joran on May 30th. He has been totally irresponsible, but he hasn't done anything unlawful. Nothing to worry about for him. She probably just walked to the HI in very disappointed mood that Joran left her, but... ...in reality she didn't make it to the HI since she encountered others and teamed up with them to end in a crack house (could even have been 1 or 2 blokes from the MB-group). Natalee passes out. Crack house people tell them not to worry, they'll handle the rest. Same story onwards including Beth causing lots of noise around the case and by doing so ironically helping to seal her fate. It would be interesting to know how the family was steered towards the crack houses. Did this come from ALE or were there some 'wrapped up' carefully phrased hints coming from the MB community back home where some blokes' conscience started to itch...?
And then Joran's stupid lies to protect his gentleman's image, turned him into the ideal scape goat for Beth and the media. Everybody else just had to keep there heads down...
If I had to chose between Natalee or Joran using drugs that night and being tempted to visit a crack house, I'd opt for Natalee to be most inclined to try some. For Joran (who smokes pot today, I know, must have had a first try one day), we have none of his friends from those days (not even his very best: Freddy) stating that Joran was on drugs or visited these crack houses. Joran was after sex that night, satisfying his male needs on a female "object" without even remembering her name. There's no indication she was interested in drugs that night.
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Fierljepper Thursday, August 6, 2009 01:24 PM
She=he in the last sentence.
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fierljepper Friday, August 7, 2009 10:38 AM
Need to correct myself here. There is a clear indication that Joran did (soft) drugs those days:
P191 of his book. Interrogation June 29th, 2005:
You ask me whether I have smoked marihuana: I have indeed smoked a marihuana cigarette. You inform me that many people have stated that Deepak sells XTC pills. I’ve never seen Deepak sell XTC-pills. I also have never heard that before. I more and more get the feeling that the girl is alive, since she would have been found already a long time ago.
Another point in favor of the 'crack house' scenario. 
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Fierljepper Friday, August 7, 2009 01:56 PM
And another clear indication that Joran used marihuana:
P225 of his book from his diary on August 11th, 2005 in the KIA:
From my diary:
At 07:00AM I’m woken up for a drugs test. I’m shocked and refuse. I’ve no idea why they want this and for what purpose they’re going to use it. At 09:00AM they come back and tell me that if I refuse the test I would receive severe detention for a full month. I say: “Call my lawyer. If he says it’s ok, that I’ll do it.” Anthony says: “You can do it. It’s something from the KIA itself and has nothing to do with your case.” Cell mates quickly provide me with a little bag of urine from someone who had never ‘blowed’ before. In front of a guard I need to pull the little bag out of my zipper en deposit the content into a small container. I’m very nervous, but I manage to do it. Results are negative. Only two people in the youth department of the KIA received severe detention for the use of marihuana, the rest all tested negatively since they used the urine of the boy that had never ‘blowed”.
Yet another point in favor of the 'crack house' scenario.
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linda Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:48 AM
FJ have you ever come up with a senario that leave Joran and the Kalpoes completely out of this? Joran left her on the beach ... and then it goes on from there?
Polemic have you?
Has Joran always been an integral part of all you working theories?
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JJpointing to STORIES Monday, June 14, 2010 08:53 AM
I find the crackhouse story to be quite amusing. Just thinking about the story and Natalee, going off after the bar with 3 local boys and wanting or going to do crack because she wanted to try it? Come on, OBVIOUSLY people that are pointing to this story as the possible truth have neither smoked crack, tried crack, nor snorted cocaine while intoxicated. Crackheads don't go into drug comas while smoking crack (unless they have been up for DAYS). And I find it extremely hard to believe that given the fact that she was to leave the very next day, like she'd go out and do a bunch of drugs the night before.
Crack/coke would have made her more alert UNLESS she was slipped something else while drinking. Have I tried coke and/or crack? Yes. And I tell you what, we became lushes and probably could drink up a whole bar!!
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