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Why not Mountain Brook?
Reading an article this morning about the missing Yale student, I ran across this, and boy did it jump out at me:
Le did not just leave her purse and cell phone behind. She left her friends, family and fiancé, all of whom need to be interviewed carefully by the police. They will have to figure out if she was happy and carefree before her disappearance, or if something was causing her anxiety and concern – something serious enough that it may have caused her hide out.
This was not an option ever with Natalie and it always has bothered me because knowing the mindset of her just might have opened up a whole new window for clues as to what happened. Immediately all of those teens should have been talked to. Why was this never done? Just because this happened in Aruba does not mean that there might not have been things going on or upsetting her at home that could have caused her disappearance. We just do not know and probably will never know now.
 Dotty Saturday, September 12, 2009 01:25 PM
Knowing the mindset of all might have been a plus, not just Natalee and friends, also Joran and friends and from where they were coming. The "boys" have admitted to seeking out pretty tourist girls...that seems to be a known? What was Natalee's mindset when she left an establishment late in the night, with strangers? What was Joran's mindset when he changed his mind at the last minute and frantically looked for some boys to accompany him to CnC's? Why was he disappointed to have Satish along? Was Natalee upset with someone? Was she being reckless for that reason? That we will never know. Joran seems to know that of all the girls Natalee and her friend seemed to drink the heaviest and the most...so why did he choose Natalee? I'm not sure I buy the "Ruth pushed us together" bit. Joran has been well known to apply blame everywhere except himself, imo.
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bella Saturday, September 12, 2009 02:01 PM
It was not an option with Natalee because of HER MOTHER. Her mother lied to ALE and FBI. She also insisted the friends NOT cooperate with Aruban authorities and lie to the media.
Le's story is more troublesome b/c she wasn't some drunk teen who od'd on a girls gone wild weekend.
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DJ Saturday, September 12, 2009 05:44 PM
Seems they interviewed many of Joran\'s friends and also the Kalpoes, so not sure about all that.
Joran did not want Satish to come along? Never heard that.
They might have done this many times before? Done what. hooked up with tourist girls, seems pretty normal as that is what guys that age do.
Joran picked the girl that drank the most? I thought her friends said she was a responsible drinker.
Natalee\'s mind set that night? Well now that might again have been helpful to have interviewed her friends. And right away as bella says before mother Beth or Aunt Marsha began to control their words.
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ArubanVisitor Monday, September 14, 2009 09:42 AM
Hard to interview a group that flees the island, even when their supposed BBF is missing. If they really were wanting to be helpful they could have come back, they could have insisted on trying to explain the details of everything their so called friend did that week, but they didn't. They were not all even ready willing and able to give statements to the FBI later on. To me this was not helpful and also some of their early statements about Joran were totally wrong as he was not even the guy they thought he was. All of this led to confusion and was not helping this case.
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Dotty Monday, September 14, 2009 10:59 AM
I think they had a flight to catch, didn't they? If they had stayed over, wouldn't it have been a problem with accomodation? I understand most hotels were booked solid pretty well.
Besides, as with most teens at all hot spot vacations, they sleep around a bit, so it wasn't very likely they were worried when one of the girls, or guys didn't sleep in their own bed for the night, not? Seems that is what they all thought...that Natalee may have spent the night with Joran. At the time they were leaving, Natalee was merely late. Why go into such a panic and change all those plans when Natalee's situation may just have been a simple one, as they thought, that is, sleeping over somewhere and sleeping in.There is another forum where a handful keep hammering away at, "why didn't they help search?" Who then knew at the moment that the planes were ready to leave that a search was needed? They didn't apparently.
Are you saying there was a reason to panic and go all out just b/c one kid was a little late, at that point?
So Joran was not the guy they thought he was. Joran is not the guy I thought he was either, for 2 years. 
Besides the last night, those that didn't have alternative plans in their rooms, were out getting drunk. I'd like to see anyone do that and try and remember details after. IMO, the kids were protecting their own hides, b/c what they did in Aruba wasn't going to stay in Aruba if they talked. They found out different.
Better question yet, is why J2K were planning all those stories and why did they know they would have to mess up the investigation with lies??
Joran himself stated he didn't really see much of K2 after he met them, and then after Natalee went missing, they were constantly together. Why was that? They were lonely?
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Pappy Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:23 AM
Never seen any indication that the Kalpoes and Joran had not been spending time together prior to this. Seems it had been and off again on again friendship as many are. Naturally after the Twitty brigade descended on the Van der sloot house in the middle of the night the boys knew that some crazy American family seemed out to get them so it makes sense that they spent a few hours discussing this unpleasant situation for what it might be, the beginning of a personal assault on only them. Since that all proved true, they probably should have met more. It is your opinion that they were planning stories before hand. If they had really planned, they would IMO done a much better job. The fact that they were so inept to me shows they did not plan at all.
For me what the Brookies did in the first couple days is not so troubling but after they knew there was indeed a missing friend of theirs, then I find not offering honest help very wrong. My guess is a couple things, none of these kids were that close to Natalee after all and they stood too much to lose themselves for offering any help that might have gotten them in any kind of trouble. All this about her being such a close good friend to these girls and guys was IMO not true, she was on the outside looking in and might have something to do with why she behaved out of character down there.
I have never heard anything about the K's or Joran from a reliable source that would cause me to believe they did Nat any harm. JMHO of course.
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onc... Friday, October 9, 2009 08:24 AM
Pappy, I agree with some of what you say.
For me what the Brookies did in the first couple days is not so troubling but after they knew there was indeed a missing friend of theirs, then I find not offering honest help very wrong. My guess is a couple things, none of these kids were that close to Natalee after all and they stood too much to lose themselves for offering any help that might have gotten them in any kind of trouble. All this about her being such a close good friend to these girls and guys was IMO not true, she was on the outside looking in and might have something to do with why she behaved out of character down there.
Weren't the early statements from those kids, they thought Natalee stayed over at Joran's and slept in? Is there a need for all to have stayed because one slept in?
Natalee was late as far as they knew. You all fault Beth for jumping to conclusions of rape and murder, yet you expect the kids to feel a need they needed to have searched.
Where would they all stay if they had wanted to? There was No Room At the busy Inn.
At that point no one thought there needed to be a search yet. Those kids are all over privileged brats, but Natalee's fate really had nothing to do with them, imo. Unless you of course believe Joran that Ruth pushed them together. I have not seen that written or said by any other person except Joran and he's not the most reliable person.
I have never heard anything about the K's or Joran from a reliable source that would cause me to believe they did Nat any harm. JMHO of course
Strange that the boys had a need to start fabricating a story even before the Alabama crew hit town.
If I could have a sigline...it would be this: If you believe in IUPG, what do you have against Freedom of speech?
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Pappy Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:38 AM
onc... Yes Freedom of Speech is good but Right to Remain Silent in the States can be an even more important legal right when one is suspected of a crime. Had this happened here I doubt that any of these boys would have been advised to say anything. What they did do that night is create a lame story that they thought would alleviate in the short run but still send the police in the general direction (Holiday Inn is a stones throw from the beach area) By the way they searched the hut area anyway so not sure what difference it really made. The guards were suspicious in of themselves and I still personally wonder about them.
Getting back to the Brookie gang. Like I said it was not that they did not stay in Aruba that troubles me because certainly changing travel plans is next to impossible. It is the way they all were like little robots in what they said. I almost feel there was a script when they spoke about the trip as they all sounded the same and much of what they said showed to be not exactly true. And where was the cooperation later with the FBI. Some refused to even speak with them.
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Dotty Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:06 AM
Pappy, I have nothing against the right to remain silent...too bad it didn't stay that way and let the cops do thier work. Instead there has been story after story for bucks.
As far as the guards went one had racked up misdemeanors, they exchanged drugs for expensive equipment, etc. That little bit of drug dealing is like a pee in the ocean, as far as I'm concerned regarding their dealing against Aruba's history of drug containers coming through to other countries as well as Aruba. Look at the kafuffle with Patrick..they got nothing straight to report and then it was dropped like a hot potatoe. A rented vehicle (of Patricks) twice broken into, old charges and new charges...very lame.
The Brookies are spoiled brats who were covering their own butts. I think they were too hung over and too lacking in sleep to remember detail and probably for those reasons preferred not to talk nonsense. IMO.
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Dotty Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:09 AM
And to add to above, since the Brookies were not the last known to be with Natalee, doesn't the right to remain silent apply to them as well?
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